Clocking in at a impressive 11.45 minutes, this gem, i would presume never got played from start to finish on a local radio station , your welcome to correct me if you can recall '72 coherently. I have read vigourisously that it was "Poo Bah'd" if a song clocked longer than 3 minutes in the old days due to stringent radio control. That's is sum written rite their. Pourly espressed an factuitously rong.posted by Floydd at 6:35 AM on June 20
Alabama here i come!
People love lists. We evolved to love lists. Cavemen made lists.posted by MarshallPoe at 6:35 AM on June 20
Is this something I would have to have free time to be able to appreciate?posted by cerebus19 at 6:37 AM on June 20
Well that was my intention, whether you appreciate it? I would hope so.
I respect the work and the thoroughness, but Human League? *shudders*posted by jonmc at 6:40 AM on June 20
Seriously? You can't tap a single toe to Human League? (I better scratch the other 9 songs i had planned in the countdown) just teasing. At least you had nice words to say and to be honest i got frag all in this column. yes i know frag is not "proper" english, sorry Floydd
What, no Tony DeFranco and the DeFranco Family? Consider this list "Poo Bah'd."posted by Floydd at 6:43 AM on June 20
Whats up with Floyyd? (sic) Did he not have his cornies this morning? Just remember this Floydd, Google was not a english word either, so Poo Bah!
Ambitious. Can't speak to the content as yet, but dumping that enormous fucking pop-up? YES PLEASE.posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:44 AM on June 20
If i knew what the pop up was or by who, it would be NUKED in seconds.
Smarty pants :p
You did "making a list of songs" first?posted by Wolfdog at 6:55 AM on June 20
Of course i did, its all in excel and all backed up by sales, ratings, and the original crowbarred *loveable factor* of the song.
Definitive? Such a strange word for such a subjective endeavor.posted by caddis at 6:56 AM on June 20
Yes, well, i am not going to disagree with that statement, other than it was subjectivly correct.
well, blog and mefi wise. and I definitely did it better.posted by jonmc at 6:57 AM on June 20
You keep saying that
They are definitive songs. Like, "This, you can be sure, is a song."posted by Wolfdog at 6:57 AM on June 20
The only thing worse than lists are listmakers' justifications as to why their selection process was anything more than completely subjective and arbitrary. You're either preaching to the converted or picking a fight--it doesn't matter whether you're a recognized rock critic or a guy from New Zealand with enough time on his hands to seek out Helen Reddy performances on YouTube.posted by thivaia at 7:01 AM on June 20
I have been busted by Professor Moriarty
Wow, tough room. I guess I won't be posting my "THE DEFINITIVE 100,000 PEOPLE OF ALL TIME 1955-2005" to projects anytime soon. Which is okay, I guess, since I'm only up to 60,010.posted by hermitosis at 7:01 AM on June 20 If you think this is tough... imagine if www.digg.com would say [burried..inaccurate]
I still stand by that entry, The Clash like Dylan & Hendrix are over rated.
I gotta say I love the fact that they've put so much work into the history and background -- very thorough. but I had to close the window what I got to Christopher Cross' Sailing.Yacht Rock. Bleargh.posted by Devils Rancher at 7:03 AM on June 20
Thanks but, C'MON! Doesn't "Sailing" remind you of lying in bed on a Sunday morning while some poor bastich is mowing the lawns???
Oldies stations do this every summer.posted by DU at 7:13 AM on June 20
Yeah, but um ... its winter here in the south pacific... brrrrrr
Where did they rank Mortician's Hacked up for Barbecue? I assume it's in there somewhere.posted by The Straightener at 7:25 AM on June 20
Im sure i ranked that somewhere in the top 200's, i'll get back to you
I am making a list called The Greatest Things Ever Made in the History of the Universe from the Start of Time until the Massive Explosion that Burns Us All. It covers one gin and tonic I drank in March of 1992.posted by Astro Zombie at 7:45 AM on June 20 [4 favorites]
You, i would love to have as a guest writer. Seriously.
We're looking for someone who doesn't immediately 'Pooh Bah' everything he eats.posted by Flashman at 7:45 AM on June 20
I try not to, but Britney Spears makes me feel that way
First thing when I went to the site (after being annoyed by the pop-up ad):"Papa Was A Rolling Stone"Clocking in at a impressive 11.45 minutes, this gem, i would presume never got played from start to finish on a local radio station, your welcome to correct me if you can recall '72 coherently. I have read vigourisously that it was "Poo Bah'd" if a song clocked longer than 3 minutes in the old days due to stringent radio control.Realized the guy was a moron, came back here to say so. (And yes, the song did get played from start to finish on the radio. Golly! What times those were!)I gotta say I love the fact that they've put so much work into the history and backgroundExcept, as googly said:Content lifted (uncredited) from other sites including fye.com and wikipedia!posted by languagehat at 7:47 AM on June 20
Like i said i will address that, now that it has been said, so i will include citation for all the wiki faithful, as for me being a moron? I guess i must be.
Yaaay, another list of things that I'll probably disagree with. And this one's really long, too!posted by Afroblanco at 7:47 AM on June 20
Hey, whats a thousand? Really? Its less than the "The Definitive 2000 Porn Films of All Time" (Why do i get the feeling people would like that more?)
1955-2005 /= all time also, fuck this shit.posted by es_de_bah at 7:57 AM on June 20
When this site first started in 2006 Rock and Roll was only 50 years old, in that lifetime it was alltime, but gee, thanks for the support tho bro.
Here, I sit, eagerly anticipating The Definitive 1000 Songs Of All Time, 1355 to 1405.posted by koeselitz at 8:09 AM on June 20
Thats next year, but i hear it will be hard to aquire the youtube video's. Pity.
I've really got to question Twist and Shout at #894.posted by PHINC at 8:14 AM on June 20
And you are right to question, this was the only song entered as a "typo" Twist & Shout was scheduled for the 100's another lesser beatles song was meant for that spot.
vigourisouslyI don't know what to make of this word. Help?posted by danb at 8:16 AM on June 20
Nor do i, its now spelt correctly (sic)
Terrible design. When Maddox out-designs you, something is wrong.As far as the list goes, I have no idea. I couldn't get past the first page. It's not that the Clash are at 999, its that they wrote better songs than Rock the Casbah.posted by jeffamaphone at 8:18 AM on June 20
Personally i was hoping the design was going to be one of the better features. However 601 is the first page (so far) yet you saw Clash #999 and that makes two pages you saw. Maddox rules.
I thought it meant vigorously, then I thought it meant vicariously. But now I think it means vigourisously.posted by goatdog at 8:19 AM on June 20
seriously. The Definitive Songs of all time from 1955-2005? What do these songs define and how is 1955-2005 all time?posted by shmegegge at 8:19 AM on June 20
They define a" period" and if you were born in 1955 and died 2005 that definately all time.
OH! Maybe it's that these songs define the period of 1955-2005 better than any other songs from all of history. So the 1812 overture, for instance, while bang on for 1812, just doesn't compare to Rock The Casbah where 1956 is concerned.posted by shmegegge at 8:20 AM on June 20
Think i just pissed of a "Clash" fan. A huh, yup i'm pretty sure.
I'm working on a The Definitive 1000 Songs Of 2008-2062. 53: Burnswild Funk: »Let Me Love You (Come On!!!)«Yes, Jean Paul Gosselaar may have been the first artist to release a swirling orb featuring the wonderful sounds of a mellotrue, but Burnswild Funk was the first band to use that instrument properly. This, their debut orb, is one of the finest examples of early palaver-swizz and it's an epic drama. The Nu-Strain break at 1:44 is the grrrrove and the dolphin singers compliment the soundscape perfectly. All in all an amazing achievment and it, of course, lay the foundation of many, many things to come. Plug in your iNeurons and switch/on the mp6 here.posted by soundofsuburbia at 8:22 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]
Thats actually funny, i like soundofsuburbia, and yes, i look forward to it being released.
"papa was a rolling stone" is 11.45 minutes long?? the radio version i've heard is only 3-4 minutes. until i got to l-hat's comment, i assumed the 11.45 minute song was "in-a-gadda-da-vida".posted by bruce at 9:00 AM on June 20
I think i need Babbelfish
Some time back Rolling Stone Magazine came out with their own list. It was obviously an egocentric one because the top two songs were Bob Dylan's "I'm a Rolling Stone" and "Satisfaction" by The Rolling Stones. Those two songs allegedly beat out "Imagine." Admittedly I'm a little biased towards John Lennon, but "Imagine" is in my not so humble opinion a better song than most anything either the Stones or Dylan ever dished out. Your mileage will no doubt vary. There's too many of these list things. It's so subjective. There's no objective criteria. Maybe someday, someone will make a list of the one thousand best lists of this sort of all time. Then one could distill another list from comparisons of all those lists... and we still wouldn't know anything more than we do now.posted by ZachsMind at 9:12 AM on June 20
See? See what happens when someone thinks what they are going to write first, before executing innocent life forms? Well said ZachsMind
Your only two seconds out, but i will forgive you, the rest might not.
Bob Dylan's "I'm a Rolling Stone"It's 'Like A Rolling Stone.' Just so you know.posted by jonmc at 9:51 AM on June 20
I thought i did. Noted to check
It's hard to take seriously any page that has a picture of "The Crow" on it.posted by interrobang at 9:54 AM on June 20
Fine. I will Krusty the Clown from now on. He's pretty serious.
The Definitive 1000 Songs Of All Time 1955 to 2005.Finally, we can get this settled once and for all!posted by obvious at 9:57 AM on June 20
Thats actually a valid point, i would love to see a www vote for that list. Funny, because that is one of the things i first wanted when i started this site. Imagine, after a few million votes then it could be submitted to Rolling Stone.
Even CKLW, which was a Top 40 "Boss" format station, sometimes played the full version of "Papa Was a Rolling Stone." Usually late at night, though. Probably to give the DJ time to run to the can. Plus the Temps were from Detroit, so it's logical their hometown would play the whole song.posted by Oriole Adams at 10:01 AM on June 20
In 1990, Was (Not Was) came out with a version of "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" that blew everybody away. I doubt you'll ever see their version on any of these silly lists. Don Was rocks.posted by ZachsMind at 10:40 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]
Any supporter of the Eagles has my vote and hey im not silly. (just slightly)
er, just looking that up right now, how do you spell....
Floydd's link to npr.org reminded me of their NPR 100 which came out around the turn of the millenium. I think this is one of the better lists of its kind. It endeavors to cover the history of American music overall for an entire century, but being ethnocentric to the US, it's far too focused to be more than a novelty.posted by ZachsMind at 12:38 PM on June 20
Yes, but did it just focus on a couple of "well known" countries or was there more?
Keonepax is fantastic, his videos are legendry
I like it, thanks for posting.Although, this worries me:Rockers OnlineUnited States: 10Canada: 9Netherlands: 1Germany: 121 Rockers 4 countriesWho's the German? Speak up, Kraut.posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 1:49 PM on June 20.
Mein gott! Just remember the amazing Kraftwerk and what they achieved. Just don't mention "The Hoff"
Wow. You can snark all you want, but the guy's responding to us, and that's worth something.posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:15 PM on June 20
Thank you. I just wanted to respond to the criticism. A lot of things i will now take on board and try to implement
Good, people are finally starting to turn against Top X lists. I strongly dislike them. Top 10 Reasons Why, in my opinion, Top X lists suck:
They always seem to allow for either too many or too few items. The list ends up excluding something really important or having a bunch of filler.
That tendency to have too many or too few items makes Top X lists a really facile way to create controversy and drive people to your site/blog/YouTubery/whatever. Far too many people will instantly say "How could you possible exclude XYZ?!?" or "XYZ?!? Are you insane?" And it'll bring people to you like moths to a really good fistfight.
About half the time, the things they're listing aren't even what they're supposed to be talking about. Top 10 Reasons Linux Sucks? Half of it'll be about Windows, not actually about Linux. Top 5 Baby Names To Avoid? Half of them will be names that are actually incredibly cool.
Lists are sometimes appropriate, but in the same way that Powerpoint presentations are: only for certain subject matter, and only when carefully applied.
They usually have no cohesive ideas, just random snark with very little context.
They foster short attention spans.That's my opinion, anyway.posted by jiawen at 7:28 PM on June 20
No problems with what you say, only thing you have to remember jiawen not everyone is as literate and smart as you.
Bottom Line: Calling his list 'definitive' is begging for criticism, and not necessarily the good, constructive kind. I'd constructively start criticism by saying, "stop calling it definitive, cuz it's not, and it ain't never gonna be." It's a list put together by one brain, and no more or less definitive than any other alleged definitive list out there. I've made lists of what I believe to be best movies and put it up at my online journal, but I don't call it definitive. Even if you took a million people's lists and compared them, then picked the ones that majorities of people chose, you couldn't call the final result definitive. It's an impossible goal, and it's not truth in advertising.posted by ZachsMind at 12:34 PM on June 21
Ok, here is an argument for discussion. First of all the word "Definitive" 1. most reliable or complete, as of a text, author, criticism, study or 2.having its fixed and final form; providing a solution or final answer; satisfying all criteria.
My response to all of that is exactly what i am trying to achieve, where does it say it has to be THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITAIVE THING EVER WRITTEN?
Can infinity be defined? NO, but i can write a book about "the Definitive theory on Infinity" YES
i rest my case